Her mother, Patricia Chambers, provided day care for their baby son, Charles. For one thing, her mother never asked Sandra Ireland to hide the gun, and she retrieved it on the way home the next day she worked as a bus driver and couldnt take it with her to school. She had a history of violence over men, and she had access to the dump site from frequent visits. If I see anything that offers a differing opinion or is inaccurate, I think its entirely fair I should say my piece. Just consider all your nasty posts about others opinions and learn to attack the argument, not the arguer with insults. The fact that previous boyfriends noted her obsession with Andrew is very, very telling. But none of those charges ever stuck. There are a number of issues in the case, Kelley said in a letter to his associate, Christopher Darden, including the competency of counsel, prosecutorial misconduct and, of course, compelling legal error by the court.. How do you explain the authorities finding .22mm shell casings at her home during the search warrant. Why not question some of this evidence? She will be in jail for the rest of her life and rightly so. They claim in a 911 call from the night of the murders, Sarah said her father was attacking her. Deal refused. Prue is currently serving a life sentence with the eventual opportunity for parole. Its sad that some people just cant move on and continue to feel that what they want is going to be THEIRS regardless. But I suppose you havent a clue about that. I live in Pennsylvania, not far from where this happened. As for the idiots who didnt think Ms. Rorrer guilty of anything more sordid than having zero taste, the simple fact(s) are that: 1) what they claim about such testing (as was done to the hair) wasexcuse me, IS wrong both due to the follow-up AFTER the mDNA test results were made only proved more concretely that Ms. Rorrer WAS the person the hair came from, 2) the inanity about thinking Andy had something to do with it (the simple fact that ALL investigations START by checking the closest, most immediate relative, i.e, a spouse), was after his being thoroughly vouched, to NOT be in ANY way involved, 3) since this case, forensic science has only improved by huge leaps, and that no one including the courts or the Innocence Project will get involved should make it VERY clear, this case is CLOSED. The couple was not allowed to have contact during court proceedings. Yet, you have a story like Darlie Rutier who supposedly stabbed herself seriously enough that was centimeters from her carotid artery, yet this woman is in prison still? Joann was fun, likable, beautiful, always happy, said her sister-in-law Cindy Wiard. Through that testing, the elderly patient was confirmed to be the same woman locally known in Pittsburgh as a street preacher called The Sparrow who vanished and left her family flummoxed. Or did they? She said that shes no fan of Forensic Files and that the show had many misrepresentations about her case and that shed heard ForensicFilesNow.com mixed up some facts as well. I made the confession on tape that I had rehearsed with the LAPD, said Larry Wright. No way they laid there for 4 months!!!! Patricia Prue also expressed remorse for her husband's actions. The girls mother, Patricia Said, fled with both girls in the week before their killings because she was in great fear of her life, police said. According to court documents, Yassein and Islam Said had been communicating with Yaser Said since Jan. 1, 2008, to help him evade capture. Sure theres DNA, but if she truly is innocent then why not advocate to find the gun. She also will never get to see them get married. (A good point. There was a push for a mistrial, but a 16-year prison sentence was negotiated instead. Said I mean the husband did do some shady things maybe he was involved? This woman killed and is where she belongs! (We didnt get into the specifics.). The hearing of the motion for reduction of felony to misdemeanor will be held Tuesday, Oct. 11, at 1:30 p.m. in the Riverside Courthouse at 4050 Main St. in Department 42. Patricia Kopta left behind a husband and siblings and meandered through northern Puerto Rico for a while before she was taken as a person in need to the adult Both sides agree Joann hung up on Patricia. I've been thinking about them the last two weeks every morning when I wake up and close my eyes," she said. I just watched Reasonable Dont on this case. Marissa Suarez, in the matching brown hat and scarf, and Patricia Todisco, in the darker hat, are seen inside the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 (images via FBI court filing). If I rolled my eyes any harder they might fall out. She was also accused of breaking into barns, stealing horses, and underfeeding the ones she owned. Walmart woe. Patricia Rorrer is as guilty as sin, and she needs to stay right where shes at. So we can just pretend that everyone is honest all of the time? Your assertion that most people cant distinguish reality from crackpot nonsense is in fact nonsense the reality is that most people are easily fooled by these biased documentaries who then feel its okay to spout their tripe as if its the gospel. For this week, I looked into the defenders reasoning as well as Patricias whereabouts today. I wanted to get out of there.. Angry that Joann hung up on her, she stalked her for three days, then broke into her basement and cut the phone line, put a gun to Joanns head as she was placing Alex in the car, and forced her to drive to the rural area. (Media sources vary as to whether she actually worked at the stable or just rented a stall there for her own horse.). It says that Andrew reported the cut phone lines and broken pad lock was reported to the police at 10:30. guilty Youre right about my comments on other sites, but those seem to have an abundance of hate-mongers who feel no need to mince their words hence my retorts to those. DNA also doesnt lie. Unfortunately, most people cant distinguish reality from crackpot nonsense, and theyre only more unlikely to do so, given todays social media. She didnt need to have owned all the guns she ever used, nor to have owned the gun she in fact used. It was her father, Yaser Said who committed the crime of killing his two innocent teen daughters. SHE IS NOT GUILTY OF THESE CRIMES. "Most of the community feels bad for the child To see that in the United States bugs me. I think we need to realize that each dollar we spend or don't spend could have a serious impact on our society and our safety.". Patricia Prue to undergo 2nd competency exam, Your California Privacy Rights / Privacy Policy. Jenkins was a teacher at St. Johnsbury Academy. He was sentenced Said to life in prison without the possibility of parole. Ls HUe7C22R>_%m~e5?h If not, how could Andrew have obtained samples of Patricias hair if they apparently didnt meet up in person after Andrews marriage? I would suggest you take the time to read the book or, at least watch the documentaries which STICK TO THE FACTS, and then comment. Patricia and Mark McCloskey, the St. Louis homeowners who pointed guns at protesters, pleaded not guilty Wednesday to weapons and evidence tampering charges. Lets stop pretending we can definitively prove this woman murdered this woman and her child. In recent years, she began to share key details about her past life in Pittsburgh to nursing home staff that led them to investigate. He said she did own a firearm, with its serial numbers filed off. I decided to take the toys and hide them so my mother wouldnt see them, said Alfey, who is now 29 years old. 2023 NYP Holdings, Inc. 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Weak wages. Crystal Carter is a Bay Area-based reporting fellow with the Center for Media, Crime and Justice in the John Jay College of Criminal Justice at the City University of New York (CUNY). The Riverside County public defender stated that the court may reduce her first two offences to misdemeanors because they are classified as wobblers. Wobbler refers to a criminal offense that can be classified as either a misdemeanor or a felony. We can help by getting the word out, by bringing a lot more support to a case that is so insanely bizarre, said Geri Silva. If you have ever met or been in a relationship with a narcissist, the former partner being with a more young and attractive-looking person would make them go off. The witness, Traupman, who on several occasions attempted to have his evidence recorded was severely manhandled out of the police station and so badly beaten, he had to be hospitalised. But Im sure that was just a coincidence LOL. Meanwhile, interest in Patricias plight continues on social media. in journalism from the University of Southern California. And Patricia did live in another state. The first rule of a murder is motive. I decided to just plead guilty to get it over with.. Why would somebody tell you, theyre going to fry me, if they didnt do it? Jarrett told Wrong Man. Flawed justice: the wrongful conviction of Kerry Baxter Sr. Police slowly built a case against Patricia. On a secret recording, Patricia asked Jarrett to vouch for her attendance or she might go to the electric char. All 3 of her alibis were lies, DNA tied her to the murder, there was no sexual assault, she had a violent past, was obsessed with Andy, and was caught lying about owning a gun, which coincidentally jammed after firing once and shell cases were found on her property. Just one example. Then 31 years old, she had lived a rocky existence. The trial was taking so much of my time. "This is the 13th case solved after the creation of the cold case task force," said El Dorado County District Attorney Vern Pierson. Instead of presenting hard facts, all I see are words and phrases that are purely speculative.. such as perhaps. Stop defending her when she is guilty!!!!! His defense team raised concerns about what they considered a lack of evidence during closing arguments. They returned with a guilty verdict and a sentence of two life terms. His hair (back in 94-95) was dirty blonde and roughly 8 inches long. Alfey says that the next thing he knew his mother was being handcuffed and taken to the county jail even though the woman who was showing the model home was given back the stolen property. Nine. I was so excited that I called everyone, and Joanne picked up the phone and she said Andy is married, and I said I know, then she said we have a baby, and I said yea I know, then she said dont ever call here again. DALLAS, Texas - A Dallas jury unanimously found Yaser Said guilty of killing his two teen daughters on Tuesday. I have to wake up every morning with the freedom that God gave me knowing that my sister is incarcerated for life and that my lies put her there, Larry wrote in a letter to the LAPD after he had been freed. In fact it clearly shows how short you are on all the details surrounding this case. Patricia 'The Sparrow' Kopta found alive after decades I didnt believe it. Today, Patricia Lynne Rorrer resides in State Correctional Institute at Muncy, a medium and maximum security facility that has the highest rate of cancer of all prisons in Pennsylvania, according to a story from northcentralpa.com. I was like OK, maybe she was tired, you know with a new baby. It cost me a lot of money, I even put advertisements in the paper down in Puerto Rico looking for her.. There is way too much doubt in this case for my comfort. She is the one who tricked them, first by This is all BS.She did it. Marsicovetere cited studies done by several doctors during pretrial proceedings, saying that they determined Patricia Prue suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder and might suffer from dissociative identity disorder as well. Claps! None. "I couldn't believe it," Blasczyk said of the crime. Not normal folks obsessed ones do. There was also forensic evidence, obviously planted by them crooked cops, according to defenders. After a very early failed marriage, the 24-year-old Joann scored a new husband in Andrew Katrinak, 38, whom she met at a club. They were telling the truth and revealing the type of person she was, a person that definitely would kill out of jealousy and revenge. He gave an audio interview to the Wrong Man investigators when they made a surprise visit to his house, but he declined to appear on camera. Another glaring omission is Early in the investigation, the police in their zeal to add some substance to their fanciful theory about the gun used in the crime, did a thorough search of Rorrers back yard/garden (where they did target practice) looking for spent shells and bullets, in order to do a forensic comparison with the bullet recovered from the victim. "As horrible as Ms. Jenkins death was, it should stand for something," Marsicovetere said. Not everything is a conspiracy. She was the one that left Andy! They theorize that Andrew Katrinak framed Patricia and that the hostile phone call between Patricia and Joann actually took place not on Dec. 12 as Andrew said but rather on Dec. 7. Ex-boyfriend Walter Blalock said that Patricia wanted him to be more like Andrew. Even if there were some minor flaws or discrepancies in the investigation, thats normal. Two problems, then: a failure to see your own position as you see others (failure to comprehend irony), and failure to understand the difference between fact and opinion. Presumably if they thought the evidence was against the states case, thats how theyd present as theres no obvious reason for them to be biased one way or the other. But thats just some of the ammo on Team Patricias battleship. Guilty ), And in another bombshell, Joanns good friend Karen Devine said Joann planned to leave Andrew after the holidays. Police theorize she owned the gun, but its neither here nor there whether she used a particular gun to kill and would make sense (to a wise perp) that the gun couldnt be linked to her by past activity. That woman has no soul. Even after 12 years of frustration and dead-ends, the pursuit for their killer never ceased, Spivey said in a statement. I really never thought of it again.. Theyre just not willing to investigate/research as to the truth. Well, at least you managed some sense there when you say that, especially when you take into account the amount of evidence and witnesses which were withheld from the Defence and what appears to be a clear case of evidence-tampering. A newspaper account described Patricia as a soft-spoken, demure woman who had a sweet Southern accent and wore feminine clothes in court. Ive scanned through of all my remarks on this site and nowhere have a seen a single remark that confirms your assertion that Ive been insulting. simply to create an atmosphere of hatred towards a person who, in all probability, has been wrongfully imprisoned. And dance instructor William Jarrett couldnt remember whether she attended his dance class at the club the night of Joanns disappearance. And shes were so happy. This FBI report, of the hairs being unable to yield a DNA result because of the absent root material, was never revealed to Rorrers defence. Just saying. Yaser Said was found guilty of killing his two daughters, 18-year-old Amina Said and 17-year-old Sarah Said, in 2008. Catherine are you sure your names not Karen? Mr Steve J At the trial, prosecutor Michael McIntyre alleged that Patricia remained obsessed with Andrew Katrinak long after their breakup despite testimony that shed had many boyfriends and live-in lovers to occupy her bandwidth. And for you to even ask why documentaries are biased, makes me wonder if you have the ability to determine fact from fiction! Patricia complied fully with the original investigation of the crime and wasnt a suspect because none of the blood or fingerprints found at the crime scene matched hers. Search is on. But because there is no author of this page, I would like you to contact me on the Free Patricia Rorrer facebook page. There are judges, eminent lawyers and writers who are in support of her. But it doesnt make a nonsense of her being the shooter, regardless of their speculation. Search it out and check for yourself. They were people that knew her, not Andrew. And remnants of what look like a baby rested on the mother. This story has been shared 114,982 times. She failed miserably to convince me, or anyone else who mattered, of her innocence. Im dying. Another thing that stumps me is Joannes supposed good friend who said that Joanne told her she was leaving Andrew. What has that to do with the point youre trying to make? It was a very big shock to see to know that she was still alive. Patricia and her husband broke up after the babys death. Its not logical to say we know the truth unless we seen it for ourselves. Yaser Said's ex-wife Patricia Owens gives victim statement after guilty verdict Mother of Sarah and Amina Said calls Yaser Said 'the devil' after a Dallas jury found him guilty. DNA testing revealed the blood came from either Joann or her son. Roughly nine months ago, Interpol contacted the police department that kept her file open. 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