Rick van de Poll: Well the mountain lion of course has been sort of an enigma in the wildlife suite for years and years. Pat humans people leave deer carcasses up in trees. 1957. The DNA the DNA that they were able to pull from the cat suggested that it was a dispersed mountain lion that came. Is that typically what was happening there. Enable JavaScript by changing your browser options, and then try again. Peter Biello: Oh okay. I saw that had this giant the bobcat had this giant sweeping which is John Bobcat don't have big sweeping tails. So. Yes. Mountain Lion | Squam Lakes Natural Science Center But you won't find evidence of their existence in paw prints in the snow or a deer carcass in a tree. 50 feet above the most. Numerous scat and fur specimens have been turned in as part of mountain lion report investigations; DNA identification has shown these submitted samples to be from domestic dog, coyote, bobcat andraccoon. So this whole illegal pet trade black market pro trade thing does does exist in a situation like that can happen. Fish and Wildlife Service decided all of the cougars, pumas, and mountain lions in the country are actually the same species, and that species hasnt had a breeding population anywhere near the Northeast for at least 70 years. The trouble with accepting every reported sighting as a confirmed mountain lion is that there are so many mistaken identifications. Through DNA they approximate area in the United States or North America where I was born. Peter Biello: Today on the program Patrick Tate New Hampshire Fish and Game Wildlife biologist and far better project leader Sam Evans Brown host of an HP podcast outside in which is about the natural world and how we use it. Mountain lion or cat running across. Are these big cats back?Subscribe to WMUR on YouTube now for more: http://bit.ly/1lOjX9CGet more Manchester news: http://wmur.comLike us: http://facebook.com. So the U.S. Forest Service Rocky Mountain Research Station has a database on mountain lion and they can identify. They don't know the direction they're going. Peter Biello: And that will make identification for a layperson rather difficult. The western mountain lion lives in a more of a grassland open area now so to blend in with a very lighted situation here in the Northeast we are very shadowy dark situation because of the forest and our cats wear a darker brownish reddish color than what they were and they were also smaller than what the western mountain lion is. Known to exist in the state for over well over a hundred years. And you know it's rather interesting because certainly there are those you as a case of mistaken identity or they wanted to see something that perhaps they actually didn't. By Eric Orff. Thanks for your call. Give us a call if you have a question or comments or story about perhaps seeing a mountain lion here in New Hampshire. It was not a bobcat. Each person had their own copy and now it was identify the trees the species of tree matched. Caller: Yeah. It's listed as population of least concern. Patrick Tate: Well. Saddleback Mountain Lions Ive received pictures of dogs at odd angles, says Tate. However, dispersing western mountain lions have left evidence as close as Connecticut, Massachusetts and New York. For me as a person who's handled many bobcats and looked at many pictures Bobcat the White chin Bobcat right off is what comes out to me and then the black the the roughs on our Bobcats we'll have sometimes have black fringes on them. What gets confusing is when you have a large adult animal and a smaller juvenile animal of a different species you can now step start beginning talking about overlapping body weights and sizes. So it's there was no question in my mind. They're very loyal to what the handler which makes them very dangerous to everyone else. 19 And trying to figure out the little pieces to identify him so I bring up the names the differences but the appearances can be confusing for some. Any sense of of whether or not mountain lions are sort of wary of more population dense areas like like the one he was describing Rick. And that's this morning at 10:00 here on NH PR. They used to roam the entire continent, but have become extinct in most US states. No doubt in my mind it was. Caller: I do. Tell us your story. Patrick Tate: I would say well when social media first started they picked up the hoaxes became much more prevalent in the last four or five years hoaxes have died down completely. Do we have native species that could have exhibited this type of behavior leaving leaving a deer carcass up in a tree. The book MAMMAL TRACKS & SIGN by Mark Elbroch has pictures of mountain lion scat found at a multiple beaver kill. You're on the air. Mountain Lions in New Hampshire-Fact or Fiction. Well let me ask maybe Pat and Rick about this. Mountain lions don't usually travel more than 100 miles from where they are born. To date most of the pictures that have been sent in have been bobcats and other species Ive received pictures of house cats. So they're not afraid of humans and they'll show up like a regular housecat. The tail leave is a giveaway but not everybody gets to see the tail. So I hate the idea that there's some sort of upward you know downward pressure from the bosses saying Don't you know don't tell about the mountain lions because it'll scare away the tourists. And as the biologist who's gonna stand on this and if I'm going to say this is a proven picture I need to be able to stand on it so soundly and have the evidence so I going to go through it with a fine tooth comb kept picking pieces apart trying to answer these pieces. I had a resident in New Hampshire tell me a story of a mountain lion in the 1960s where a person who would come summer in New Hampshire and then live in a different part of the country in the winter had a trailer that was housing his mount line. Peter Biello: Well Mike thanks very much for sharing your story. By, March 2023 Fund Drive Rules and Regulations, Persons with disabilities who need assistance accessing NHPR's FCC public files, please contact us at publicfile@nhpr.org. JavaScript must be enabled for some features to display properly. I have no doubt that there are mountain lion roaming New Hampshire. I found a second scat scent both to him. Peter Biello: But clearly you know you're saying like hoaxes people who claim to have seen a mountain lion but knowingly have not or are appropriating photos taken elsewhere of legit mountain lion say out West where they people acknowledge that they exist certainly knowingly or unknowingly in this case the person who sent it to me said hey a friend of mine sent me this photo and said he took it on his back porch also. OK. Rick van de Poll: Rick and I would add that if a mountain lion male takes up residence and successfully finds a female as pets there's gonna be a lot more evidence there will be like deer carcasses up in trees and territorial marking and claw marks and tracks and it you know dispersal is gonna be very tough to see or observed but residential parrots a totally different story. About two years ago I was at the Laconia airport on the way home from the airport and there's a big lake on one side called Lily Pond. Your support makes this news available to everyone. There was a lot of DNA evidence. Absolutely there are a lot of folks out there who for some reason need to create something that raises a stir and gets the attention of the media etc.. Yes and you want to share what you learned. Windham Life and Times - November 15, 2019 It's not an emerging endangered species no work no there are there are populations in specific states so the Florida panther is is an endangered species that sub population is in fact listed under the Endangered Species Act. I looked at the picture and asked me what do you see in the picture and I wrote back. Residents believe cougars still roam New Hampshire's forests. People were calling the New Hampshire Fish and Game director's office saying why are you dragging your feet on this. What kind of animal is that. It doesn't happen as much anymore. So try to take photographs if you see something like this. I didn't see him online. It was in the spring flash kind of early summer and my wife looked at you look at the size of an adult bear and we were up in arms. Caller: Are probably. Not one picture of him online while the person meet with us. Really appreciate you guys being here as well. Yeah I did. A lot of times. Information that weed family automotive dot com sunny for today high temperatures low to mid 80s clear tonight overnight lows in the 50s tomorrow sunny highs in the upper 80s. And listeners this has been a lively conversation we're sorry we didn't get to all the the e-mailed comments and the phone calls your stories are appreciated even if we didn't get a chance to hear them today. It's good to talk to you. As wildlife biologists, wed be fascinated to say 'look look what was found in our state.'. Caller: Absolutely. Peter Biello: Thank you for sharing that. Lions Clubs Int'l Links: LionNet NH Links 2011 -2012 . It doesn't make much sense because you know mountain lions are as we as we said before. From: Boomerdog in OK 08-Oct-07 You know interactions are pretty unusual. Part II. David Erler says some of them probably have. NH Wildlife News and Info | NH Wildlife Mike thanks for your call. That's next time on one day. Monday, December 5th: Mountain Lions in New Hampshire? Part II - WMUR Every other Friday on Morning Edition NHPRs Sam Evans-Brown tracks down answers to questions about the environment and outdoors for our listeners in a segment we call Ask Sam.. And then just up behind it you know at about 11 o'clock on one side and whatever that would be on the other side it's black. You could trace that was this same cat from point to point to point. On Oct. 10, he gave a slide talk called "Wild Cats of New Hampshire," which included the bobcat and the lynx. He said matter of fact I do. For all the men out there that don't realize it. Our guests today Patrick Tate New Hampshire Fish and Game Wildlife biologist Sam Evans Brown host of an HP podcast outside in. You can see two of them at Squam Lakes Natural Science Center in Holderness NH. There's these animals aren't coming with a map saying oh I want to go here. Sue Morse: First and foremost if you have color or if you could see details of color look at the front of the face around the Pumas muzzle the muzzle itself is pure white. It's you know I recognized their report and. We have evidence and as biologists we would find it quite exciting to find that evidence of one in the state. Sam Evans-Brown: And second the evidence required is is you know pretty pretty tough to gather. Sam Evans-Brown: Well first I want to sort of explain why what the theory is but then also throw a bit of cold water on it because I don't think there's much much logic behind it but essentially is that if fish and game were to acknowledge that there was a population of Mount lions in the state there's a chance that something like a listing under the federal Endangered Species Act might happen and then there'd be you know some they'd have to put a plan in place to protect the species there'd be you know restrictions put on development. Have a photo. So one thing I'll add we're talking about natural dispensers but talking with the conservation officer in the 1980s they recall going to a residence telling a person you can live here but your mountain lion can't. There are corollaries in other states. Chapter X, Predators, Panther (Mountain Lion) From History of NH Game and Furbearers by Helenette Silver, Research Clerk, NH Fish and Game Dept. I mean it wasn't your idea. Mountain Lion | Squam Lakes Natural Science Center All exhibit and hiking trails are CLOSED for the season. I would just suggest that in my experience as a reporter covering this covering this issue for a few years at least at what point do we reach a certain critical mass for lack of a better term of accounts where I'm not to suggest that you guys aren't taking this possibility seriously. Mountain Lions in New Hampshire-Fact or Fiction - YouTube The species that once inhabited the Northeast, known as the eastern mountain lion, is now extinct. They're the generalists that made it through both the arrival of the Clovis people with their with their spears and then the Europeans with their guns. Well they are the same. How far were you from this cat. He says when youve got a mountain lion in town, its kinda obvious. Michael Brindley is our program manager our producers our Jessica Hunt and Christina Phillips and our theme music was composed by Bob Lord. The report came in from a conservation officer. Do they travel. Peter Biello: So let's say Rick that it was confirmed that there that there are mountain lines here in New Hampshire. We'll hear more about the mountain lions impact and the role it plays in the ecosystem. I mean I that said I've lived out west for nine years. Peter Biello: Ok weird question but do they make good pets. I mean that so many of them are false sightings we. I have one that's more elaborate than that. So the whole media hype about how scary mountain lions are should should go away immediately and that would be that I think the major thrust of educating folks about these casualties vs.. Sam Evans-Brown: Sam go ahead. Rick van de Poll: Absolutely. There is some information that suggests that it spent a portion of its time in Massachusetts near the Claiborne reservoir. WMUR uLocal: On this trail cam video, an unidentified feline is spotted. 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. Mountain lions when they show up they leave evidence. Peter Biello: And then it ran away okay. Patrick Tate: It became a very interesting investigation over time because it started becoming. It was some sort of a Lion Mountain Lion animal. And what was really remarkable about the whole thing was I was maybe a half mile down on all buildings. The unheralded hero of Apollo John Hubble the man who knew the way to the moon. Kyle I think about Rick Tate wants to jump in here. Monday, December 5th: Mountain Lions in New Hampshire? These young males are tracking looking for mates and if they don't find a mate they just keep moving and moving and moving. N.H. Residents Report Mountain Lion Sighting - NECN This is a machine-generated transcript, and may contain errors. DNA from scat or from fur, a clear track that is confirmed by an expert, or a photo that clearly shows a mountain lion. So now what's going on. They reported seeing the big tail and everything everything. Wildlife biologist breaks down mountain lion sightings in CT | New Give today. The big cat has been extinct at least the eastern mountain lion has been extinct here since the mid 80s hundreds. And there's there's no evidence of that cat's movement in that entire you know 12 hundred miles stretch of its journey. Verifiable pictures recorded by the observing person or a trail camera. Peter Biello: Give us a call 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7 you can also send us an email exchange at an HP morgue. The states never denied mountain lions are here, and theyve never admitted mountain lions are here. Peter Biello: So Patrick today Fish and Game no downward pressure on you to deny the existence at all costs of mountain lions here in New Hampshire. Sam Evans-Brown: And when we talk about subspecies this actually leads to to an interesting tangent which is that the field of biology recently has been sort of revolutionized by the use of DNA to determine what subspecies are. Today, their range stretches from the Yukon Territory in Canada along the western coast of the United States, all the way to the Southern Andes in Chile. I just stood there just a second and I came to a complete stop and then I ran away. Patrick Tate: So the individuals can say that but for an agency that's based on science and what not to to go off with no evidence and then get into that giant debate and all these other issues and put credibility at risk I don't think that would be a great path to take. New Hampshire Public Radio | I don't see the hoaxes anymore at that level. When they were landing or taking off and it seems like it's been there for like.
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